Are the imperial guard good?

I am finding it very hard to choose a warhammer army to start with and im going to the shop tomorrow. At the moment im thinking about collecting: Imperial guard, chaos marines or necrons OR an eldar force (either). Can someone give me some suggestions on which army would be good?


Id like a army fun to paint (not too complicated), easy-medium rules and an army that people would want fighting beside them. Could you also include if people like imperial guard fighting with them!





Thanks A LOAD!

Are the imperial guard good?
Imperial Guard Overview:





The Imperial Guard army is one of the oldest, and most respected, armies in the game of Warhammer 40K. New and veteran hobbyists and gamers alike are drawn to the unique nature of the Guard, and with good reason. Not only can the Imperial Guard dominate the field of battle, but the Imperial Guard army can look darn good doing it, too.








Strengths





The vast majority of IG commanders will list the army’s greatest strength as one of two possibilities; Infantry, or Tanks.





For a basic trooper, the Imperial Guardsman does not seem like a great bargain, having mediocre stats at best, and coming equipped with a lasgun (often referred to as a ‘flashlight’ in recognition of the weapon’s damage potential), and flak armor (also, rarely of much use) as standard. Their biggest strength, and what some would comment as the IG’s biggest strength, is that a full 10-man squad, well equipped with a heavy weapon and an assault/special weapon, will average about 80pts. A full, well equipped, platoon of 55 men can run less than 500 points, while many opposing armies of 1500pts and more cannot boast as many models. This makes the IG a very resilient army, and more importantly for the enemy, this resilience makes the IG’s heavy weapons very difficult to silence.





For the treadheads (or tank lovers), the only possible choice for the army’s greatest strength would be, of course, the Tanks of the Imperial Guard. The ability to field such a vast number of hard-as-rocks tanks without restricting your army to any specific playing style or theme is something to be considered when choosing and designing an army. Not only should the heavy support options of the various Leman Russ main battle tanks and Basilisks be considered, but also the fast attack options of the Hellhounds and Sentinels and the troop choices’ allotments of Chimeras. The amount of firepower these vehicles can unleash in a single turn of shooting can decimate an entire army twice the size. The sheer intimidation such an army imposes is often a telling factor during the game. And, for those who wish to use only tanks, the IG Armored Company is always a strong alternative, though not always permitted in tournament play.








Weaknesses





In many minds, the poor abilities (stats) of the Guardsman are the weakest aspect of the IG army. This weakness is also what gives the army its unique flavor, and why so many gamers can empathize with the Guardsman’s plight. Others believe that the IG’s reliance on stationary heavy weapons makes for a weak force than can be easily overcome with stealthy tactics. Still, even more gamers feel that the IG’s reliance on vehicles to win a game is the IG’s biggest weakness, as so much of the army can be reduced to smoking hulks of twisted metal in a single round of anti-tank firepower. And while all three views are correct to some extent, the application of all three ‘weaknesses’ in an IG army will often negate each view. While not often successfully employed, the mutual support of the various units in an IG army will cancel out the most commonly exploited weaknesses in the army.








Difficulty of Play %26amp; Overall Competitiveness





The Imperial Guard has something to offer both the novice and veteran gamer. Defensive armies utilizing the ‘castle’ formation are often easier to use effectively than the ever popular and ubiquitous Space Marine armies, offering the opportunity to learn the various aspects of game play without suffering through defeat after defeat while progressing through the learning process. Drop Troop forces offer the same benefit, to a degree, while incorporating a bit more in-game excitement. For the veteran gamer, finding success with a Mechanized force should prove challenging against most opponents, as would a Death World Veterans (or Catachan) army.





Generally the IG is regarded as a hobbyist’s army rather than a gamer’s army. The IG can be quite competitive, though the army tends to be the favorite of those who love to convert and paint large forces rather than those who love to dominate the field of battle during tournament play. In truth, the army is very flexible and can perform well in both areas. Only effort and ability can determine just how far the army can progress. As for what some gamers would term ‘cheesy or beardy’, the IG Codex is considered to be very balanced and rarely is the target of such accusations.








Playing Style %26amp; Theme





The use of specific doctrines, or lack of doctrines altogether, can emphasize the playing style and theme of an Imperial Guard army. Just a few changes to the choice of doctrines can dramatically alter the performance of an army.





The ‘typical’ Imperial Guard performs best in defensive roles. A large firebase of basic troops supported by heavy weapons squads and main battle tanks, rank up in a ‘castle’ formation which then dominates a large area of the gaming table by sheer volume of firepower. Small supporting squads of Rough Riders, Hardened Veterans, Ogryns, or Storm Troopers provide counter-assault capabilities. No doctrines are required to successfully implement such a playing style, though Sharpshooters and Close Order Drill are commonly found in such armies.





An all infantry army can make very efficient use of the Light Infantry doctrine, allowing the entire army to infiltrate into ideal positions before the first turn of the game. While still defensive in nature, infiltrating armies tend to be in the thick of things a bit sooner and will require more counter assault capability.





Armies equipped with the Drop Troops doctrine can deep strike entire platoons, armed with an assortment of anti-infantry and anti-tank weaponry, into the enemy deployment zone. Very offensive in nature, Drop Troop forces are excellent for taking objectives and making things generally difficult for the opposing army. The ‘risk verses rewards’ concept is a very real concern for commanders of Drop Troop forces, as poor timing, placement, or luck can spell defeat before contact with the enemy is achieved.





Mechanized armies are also possible, and an ideal way for treadheads to incorporate infantry into their armies. Mechanized armies perform well in both defensive and offensive roles, having massed firepower, mobility, and armor in abundance. These forces tend to be smaller than most other IG armies, and must keep the reduction of enemy anti-tank capability in the forefront of their battle plan.





In addition to the options listed in the Codex: Imperial Guard, the IG are available to all Inquisitor Ordos codices currently published, as well as various ‘traitor’ lists such as the ‘Lost and the Damned’.








Sample Army Lists





Starting out with an IG army in mind is often a bit more difficult than with most other armies. The unique command and platoon structure of this army often limits what can be done at smaller point values. Though the choice of doctrines can greatly influence what can be done, a typical ‘Codex’ Imperial Guard force at 500pts might look a lot like the list below.





Imperial Guard Basic Regiment @ 500pts





Command Squad


-=-Senior Officer w/ Power Weapon, Laspistol, Carapace Armor


--=-- Command Squad w/ Standard, Meltagun, Missile Launcher Team





Infantry Platoon


-=- Junior Officer w/ Power Weapon, Plasma Pistol, Carapace Armor


--=-- Command Squad w/ 4 Flamers





-=- Infantry Squad w/ Sergeant, Heavy Bolter, Plasmagun





-=- Infantry Squad w/ Sergeant, Heavy Bolter, Plasmagun





Armoured Fist


-=- Fist Squad w/ Sergeant, Heavy Bolter, Plasmagun


--=-- Chimera w/ Multilaser, Hull Heavy Flamer





This small army contains the required one HQ choice and 2 Troop choices from the force organization chart. It maintains mobility with the Armoured Fist squad with Chimera, and boasts 40 infantry, 1 vehicle, and 5 scoring units in a tight little package.








After getting a feel for the army, and its capabilities, it will be time to expand. The most common opponents will often dictate which units are chosen, but such an army at 1000pts may look similar to this.





Imperial Guard Basic Regiment @ 1000pts





Command Squad (6)


-=- Senior Officer w/ Power Weapon, Laspistol, Carapace Armour


--=-- Command Squad w/ Standard, Meltagun, Missile Launcher Team


--=-- Sanctioned Psyker w/ Laspistol, Close Combat Weapon





Storm Troopers (10)


-=- Sergeant w/ Helpistol, Close Combat Weapon


--=-- Squad w/ 2 Plasmaguns, Deepstrike





Infantry Platoon (36)


-=- Junior Officer w/ Power Weapon, Plasma Pistol, Carapace Armour


--=-- Command Squad w/ 4 Flamers


--=-- Sanctioned Psyker w/ Laspistol, Close Combat Weapon





-=- Infantry Squad w/ Sergeant, Heavy Bolter, Plasmagun





-=- Infantry Squad w/ Sergeant, Heavy Bolter, Plasmagun





-=- Infantry Squad w/ Sergeant, Heavy Bolter, Plasmagun





Armoured Fist (11)


-=- Fist Squad w/ Sergeant, Heavy Bolter, Plasmagun


--=-- Chimera w/ Multilaser, Hull Heavy Flamer, Extra Armour





Sentinel Squadron (2)


-=- Cadia-Class Sentinels w/ Autocannons





Leman Russ Main Battle Tank (1)


-=- Leman Russ w/ Battlecannon, Hull Heavy Bolter, Sponson Heavy Bolters





The army, now at 1000pts contains 1 battle tank, 1 transport, and 2 scout walkers as well as 62 infantry. The total of scoring units is now 10. This army can now place a formidable firebase on the table while also keeping its mobility thanks to the deepstriking Storm Troopers, scouting Sentinels, and the Armoured Fist. More of the flavor of this army shows now that the Sanctioned Psykers make their presence known, adding a bit of random surprise to the game.








By the time the army is tournament ready, a force resembling the army listed below can be fielded to take on all comers and achieve victory.





Imperial Guard Basic Regiment @ 2000pts





Command Squad (7)


-=- Heroic Senior Officer w/ Power Weapon, Laspistol, Carapace Armour, Refractor Field


--=-- Command Squad w/ Standard, Meltagun, 2 Flamers


--=-- Sanctioned Psyker w/ Laspistol, Close Combat Weapon


--=-- Priest w/ Power Weapon, Close Combat Weapon





-=- Anti-Tank Team (6) w/ 3 Missile Launchers


-=- Anti-Tank Team (6) w/ 3 Missile Launchers


-=- Fire Support Team (6) w/ 3 Autocannons





Storm Troopers (6)


-=- Sergeant w/ Helpistol, Close Combat Weapon


--=-- Squad w/ 2 Plasmaguns, Deepstrike





Storm Troopers (6)


-=- Sergeant w/ Helpistol, Close Combat Weapon


--=-- Squad w/ 2 Meltaguns, Deepstrike





Infantry Platoon (27)


-=- Junior Officer w/ Power Weapon, Plasma Pistol, Carapace Armour


--=-- Command Squad w/ 4 Flamers


--=-- Sanctioned Psyker w/ Laspistol, Close Combat Weapon


--=-- Priest w/ Power Weapon, Close Combat Weapon





-=- Infantry Squad w/ Sergeant, Heavy Bolter, Plasmagun





-=- Infantry Squad w/ Sergeant, Heavy Bolter, Plasmagun





Armoured Fist (11)


-=- Fist Squad w/ Sergeant, Heavy Bolter, Plasmagun


--=-- Chimera w/ Multilaser, Hull Heavy Flamer, Extra Armour, Smoke Launchers





Infantry Platoon (27)


-=- Junior Officer w/ Power Fist, Laspistol, Carapace Armour


--=-- Command Squad w/ 4 Flamers


--=-- Sanctioned Psyker w/ Laspistol, Close Combat Weapon


--=-- Priest w/ Power Weapon, Close Combat Weapon





-=- Infantry Squad w/ Sergeant, Heavy Bolter, Grenade Launcher





-=- Infantry Squad w/ Sergeant, Heavy Bolter, Grenade Launcher





Armoured Fist (11)


-=- Fist Squad w/ Sergeant, Heavy Bolter, Grenade Launcher


--=-- Chimera w/ Heavy Flamer, Hull Heavy Bolter, Extra Armour, Smoke Launchers





Sentinel Squadron (2)


-=- Cadia-Class Sentinels w/ Autocannons





Leman Russ Main Battle Tank (1)


-=- Leman Russ w/ Battlecannon, Hull Heavy Bolter, Sponson Heavy Bolters





Leman Russ Main Battle Tank (1)


-=- Leman Russ w/ Battlecannon, Hull Heavy Bolter





The army above is more than capable of handling itself against most every opposing army out there. With 111 infantry, 6 vehicles and 18 scoring units, this army will be difficult to wipe out. The addition of secondary support elements, like the second Leman Russ, the additional Storm Trooper squad, and the fire support squads, just improve upon the firebase that was already there in the 1000pt list. The additional troop choices boost the resilience of the army while the Priests define the counter-assault mission of the units to which they’ve been attached. The army may not look impressive to many Space Marine players out there, but this happens to be my army list and has won multiple tourney games against several varied Marine armies.





Modeling %26amp; Converting Opportunity





Mordian, Valhallan, Tallarn, Cadian, Catachan, Death Korps, Elysian, and Praetorian are just some of the various models that are, or have been, in production to represent just the basic troop of the Imperial Guard. These models go a long way in representing the theme of an IG army, and can really make heads turn when displayed as a completed force.





The army also boasts some of the best vehicles in the game, with regard to both in-game performance, and modeling opportunities. With the various vehicles based off of both the Leman Russ and Chimera chassis, it can be quite difficult to fit one of each in a singe army. Toss in the various Sentinel designs, and such interesting tidbits from Tarantula sentry guns to the Imperial Navy fighters, bombers and transports, and the army has near limitless conversion opportunity.
Reply:Hello well Imperial Guard are great if you have plenty of money to buy lots of models. And i mean lots. You can do very much with a guard army but you have to spent money. They die easy not very good armor but there are so many guardsmen its ok. Painting them is not too hard but its not easy. There are lots of things you need to know about guard. You can use guard in just an Imperial Guard army, you can use them in a Iquistion army. They are a good guy army just like Space Marines. I personaly enjoy a Guard player on my team.


Chaos as lots of rules with all there gods and that stuff but there easyer to learn then Eldar and a lot easyer to paint then Eldar. Necrons very easy rules easy to paint. CAN NOT be used with a other army in a team battle besides Necrons. And they have no seclection on weapons. ( i had a Necron army I hated them and gave them away)


I know you did not have Space Marines on your list but i recomend you as a starting player try them they are very easy to paint ( use spry paint and detail them with a brush) the rules are simple they have great armor you dont have to spend assloads of money on them to get a good starting army. And play them until you know the rules really well and you have seen and fought other armys so you can make an informed decition.


I also recomend that you only buy a codex or two tomorrow and read them before you spend a large sum of money it will help you make a dection on what army you want to play. You might read something that you dont like, but if you buy the stuff and then find out your stuck with it.


But with what ever you decide to go with welcome to Warhammer 40K


Happy Gaming and good luck

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